(ok, that was funny).
- Batman 457
THIS WILL NEVER NOT BE FUNNY TO ME
WHO THE HELL THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO EVER LET TIM OUT OF THE HOUSE
Robin by Freddie Williams II
sometimes I get so confused
there’s actually people who don’t like Tim Drake
but how can you not like Tim Drake
just look at him
In which I am Tim Drake.
it doesn’t stop being funny to me
YES. They ust cant believe that they did something wrong, and at the same time they never were there for him. Even when Jack, all of a sudden, stayed at home and decided to be more closer with Tim, he still hadnt any idea, what was wrong.
The catch is, that Tim grew up as someone almost independent and untrustful, and he really cant understand how all this work, and if good things and promises is for real, or its another lie. And even when his father suddenly poped up from nowhere,.
it was already too late. All this postcards and gifts - its like pay offs (sorry, my English pretty bad), like we love you, but we wont tell it to you, better have this new toy), or smth. And yeah, child is problem in this situation, because
he needs to be loved, and have his parents, and so on.Poor Timmy. *made herself really sad* It really hurts to see same old problems in Robin, for example, because, uggghhh, he doesnt deserved this, nooo.
Oh, I also was really insulted with marriage of Jack and Dana. I really liked Dana, and I understand that Jack just fell in love, actually, but uh well Jack just forgot about his son again. Sure, why not, its okay Jack, do it again.
Oh, I agree. By the time Jack decided to start to give a damn, Tim was already about 15 and had a whole other life that was separate from his father’s. The only reason Tim even bothered with a pretense was because I still think Tim couldn’t disassociate the fact that Jack was still his dad. And he still wants his dad to love him despite being an awful parent.
It’s also why Tim and Bruce made such awesome partners in the beginning. Because Tim really had no desire for Bruce to be his dad. And Bruce had very little desire for Tim to be his son. It was a perfect situation until feelings and egos started getting involved.
So now you have Tim who is so used to being independent and on his own, now he’s being told what to do by a man who didn’t even want him for 14 years. I think this is where all those explosive arguments between Jack and Tim come from. Because Tim wants his dads love and affection, but at the same time it’s hypocritical for Jack to all of a sudden be telling Tim what to do and how to do it.
And Jack, while he did try, and I can appreciate that, often resorted back to casting Tim aside. One situation that always comes to mind is when Tim was sent to boarding school again.
Jack couldn’t control Tim, and so instead of trying other approaches, Jack threw money at the problem and sent Tim away. Not only that, but there are moments in the Robin comic where Jack is verbally abusive towards Tim.
I think in Jack, the reader can see where Tim’s temper comes from.
And, yes, while I do like Dana, and I think she was a healing factor between Jack and Tim (except that one time when she tried to kill Tim, omg) it did leave a bad taste in my mouth, because I do think Jack looked at this opportunity with Dana as a fresh start, a brand new family to start clean with. A wife he actually loved, as opposed to Janet who he was having marital problems with.
Tim doesn’t understand family dynamics because he never had them. His relationship with Steph probably the closest thing to healthy, and even then you saw the symptoms of what his child life was like by how he could be so controlling.
And Steph was good for Tim, in the fact that she never put up with his shit, but, in the end, Stephanie proved to Tim that he can’t really trust anyone, even her because of her own actions (and I’m not blaming anyone in this situation).
Oh no! You’re right, I really don’t think that they knew exactly how neglectful they are being. Because they’re just really wound up in their own lives that they forget that they never factor in the fact that *Tim* is apart of their lives. I think, honestly, they look at Tim like a problem that needs to be solved, and the way they solve this problem is by throwing money at it. They send him to boarding school, they hired help, they send gifts, etc etc.
But really, probably all Tim wants is some attention. Isn’t that what everyone wants? It’s a very human thing, I think. But unfortunately, Tim is now 13, and I can’t help but think that this was normal for Tim. 13 years of post cards and missed holidays and never knowing where your parents are or if they’ll be home. 13 years of his parents screaming at each other or ignoring each other and it makes you wonder if they used him to pit each other against one another.
(Maybe Damian and Tim have more in common then we know?)
I think a lot of Tim problems do in fact stem from neglectful parents. Tim’s crippling fear of failure can’t be something in your DNA. That’s something learned over time and I can’t help but tie that to something in his childhood.
Tim probably wanted for *nothing*… except for love and attention.
These early Tim issues… you really do get the sense that he just has no idea what that sort of fond attention feels like. He doesn’t understand how love and family works considering how genuinely confused he is every time someone expresses interest in how he’s doing or his safety or anything really.
All of this. Also, his controlling behaviour (to Steph and some of his friends) stems from childhood neglect, where he fears that he might lose everything hence tries to gain control of things that matter to him.
Ah, and here’s the kicker!
Tim was actually doing a lot better in regards to relinquishing control because of Stephanie. She was really good for him, because she always called him on it, and Tim wasn’t ever above recognizing when he was being a douche-waffle.
When Tim was forced out of being Robin, it felt like, while he wasn’t happy and couldn’t be happy if he wasn’t Robin, he realized, essentially, it was out of his control. The reader sees him release a bunch of that control. those issues, with his talk with Conner in his room.
The fact of the matter is Stephanie was the one person Tim always assumed wouldn’t lie to him, loved him for who he was, was always on his side. Stephanie was Tim’s person.
And, unfortunately, right after Tim quit Robin and then showed his father how much it meant to him, how much he needed it, FINALLY was on a good page with the man, everything basically went to hell in a handbasket.
With Steph staying away for a year, ultimately lying to Tim about Batman, it backtracked a *lot* of Tim’s progress with his issues of abandonment and neglect.
Now, I’m not blaming either of them, but because Stephanie told some pretty big lies to Tim, that set off the switch for Tim that maybe Stephanie *wasn’t* the person he could trust. Maybe Stephanie is just like everyone else in my life and I have to do this on my own.
Unfortunately (and I have to stress, I don’t actually blame Steph or Tim) Stephanie’s actions (and I know she thought she was doing the right thing) reaffirmed Tim’s belief that no one wants him, that no one would be there for him, that the only person Tim can really depend on is Tim.
And this can all be tracked down to the first 14 years of his childhood.
To be fair, it wasn’t just Steph —Dick and Damian also contributed to his abandonment issues (indirectly, it wasn’t intentional but it affected Tim nevertheless). His adopted father just died, Dick had just replaced him as Robin, and Damian’s existence reminded him that he was only the adopted orphan and Bruce’s biological son is superior to him.
But the thing is, Tim made it personal. In battling his abandonment issues he failed to realized that Steph, Dick and Damian had to deal with their own problems too. Steph was trying to prove herself to the world after her mess up (hence why she was so willing to follow Batman’s orders), Dick was trying to regain a little bit of order into the chaos that the Batfamily was thrown into after Bruce’s death, and Damian was just a kid with serious issues. He didn’t want to understand them, he was too caught up in his own anger and sadness. Tim was always the ultra-sensitive and emotional type so he probably snapped and withdrew into that shell and shut out everyone around him.
I’m not blaming Tim here, but just pointing out that his childhood issues got in the way of his relationships during the BftC era. His parents totally messed things up for him later in the future.